And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask me for cash is....

...Senator Barack Obama.

For the last four days or so, my cell phone has been getting calls from an unknown number.  Yesterday I decided to answer and see who the hell it was that kept calling.

God, how disappointed I was.

"Hello, this is ** with the Obama campaign.  May I speak with Jared Letini [a horrible mispronunciation/mangling of my name, but it happens a lot so I didn't worry about it]?"

"This is he," I said.

Now came the fun part: the pitch.

The caller spent about 30 seconds reading 2 minutes' worth of script, so it was largely unintelligible.  The basis of it was that Obama had accomplished much during his time in office, most of it working with Republicans.  The words "with a prominent Republican Senator" were included at least twice.  Another few seconds about the new kind of politcs, then the old reared its ugly head:

"So, um, Mr. Letini, would you be interested in supporting our campaign?"

I asked, "you mean, would I like to make a contribution?"

Him: "Uh, yeah, sir, that's what I mean."

Now, I'm not rich.  I'm not employed (I finally get out of college next week).  And hell, when I am employed, it's working for Democratic candidates, so I don't make much even when working full-time.  And I didn't give to any federal candidates last cycle, though I worked for one full-time (oddly enough, I ran her phone banking operation).  So I don't know how the hell I ended up on the low-dollar solicitation list.

And the thing that really gets me is: I like Obama.  He's top of my list right now, and I even sent my resume to the campaign.

Part of the reason I like him is his obvious charisma.  Part is that my mother-in-law actually would vote for him, making him the first Democratic candidate in decades that she's expressed any interest in supporting and making me think there's a greater potential for winning new voters.  And part of it is the promise of a "new kind of politics," because I work in the current kind and, I'll tell you, something's gotta change.

But the biggest reason why I like Obama is the enthusiasm he has generated among voters, especially younger ones.  And being an active young Democrat, with a great desire to see more of my generation brought into the Democratic fold and treated as equals with our Boomer brethren, I thought the idea of a campaign based around mobilizing younger voters to action would be a huge step for my party.

Now, that said, I really didn't appreciate my first-time contact with the Obama campaign, and its "new kind of politics," coming in the form of an amateurish solicitation for cash I ain't got.  The call could have been to ID supporters, and I wouldn't have minded.  It could have been to ask for attendance at a rally (even a fundraising rally), or, better yet, a request for me to call Mel Martinez and ask him to help override the Bush veto on Iraq.  Instead, I got the exact same fundraising pitch that I've made a thousand times before, when working for candidates who didn't claim to represent a major paradigm shift in American politics.  I know better than most people the importance of raising funds, but I also know that Obama is neither hurting for cash, not is his campaign spending its time wisely if they're making fundraising calls to unemployed college kids.

It's probably a good sign for the campaign that they have the resources to call someone so, dare I say, financially useless to them as me.  I still like Obama as a candidate.  But my respect for the "new kind of politics" he claims to represent has been seriously dimished, because there are frankly so many better things to call a young activist about than getting the $40 I may have in my bank account.

I declined to give a contribution.  The disillusionment stayed my hand.

(Author's note: really, Obama is my first choice.  This isn't some petty concern troll or a closet Edwards fan or anything like that, though I will say I hestitated to post this entry because of the fear that I will be attacked as such in the comments by overzealous supporters of one candidate or another.  The discourse on this site has gotten way the hell out of hand in recent months, and it's worrisome to me, since I enjoy hanging out here more than just about any other site, since it's tailor-made for young, progressive, political activists to come together and figure out ways to strengthen the overall movement.  I would hate to see MyDD co-opted by those with no desire to do anything except spur further intraparty squabbling and keep us attacking each other instead of the Administration and its congressional enablers.)



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My two cents (3.00 / 1)

I will not attack you or your diary.  But I do believe that you made a previous donation or submitted your information to the Obama campaign in order for them to have your number.  Obviously a campaign does not run on water so they will contact past or interested supporters about contributing to the campaign.

Personally, if I really support a candidate then I would not find the phone call that burdensome and if I could not donate because of a lack of funds then I would just say so.

If you do not want future phone calls about contributions then ask the guy, should he call you again, to remove you from their active donor list.  Presto, problem is now solved.

Just my two cents.


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by lovingj on Mon May 14, 2007 at 10:51:20 PM EST

Re: My two cents (3.00 / 1)

Thanks for the two pennies, and the civility.

I have given the campaign my information, but not my giving history, and not a contribution.  So either they've rolled every member of their facebook page or everyone who's sent them a resume and put them on a cold-call list, or they got my name from another campaign (though nobody I gave to last cycle has endorsed anybody yet).

In any case, the call was a perfectly generic fundraising request, but was also off-putting for being so blunt and so politics-as-usual.  Not two hours ago I got an email from the Obama campaign highlighting Obama putting pressure on Republican colleagues, but the fundraising pitch was explicit in its attempts to portray Obama as a bipartisan consensus-builder.  If I didn't already like Obama, I'd probably have just ignored the whole thing, but I think I expect more from him because he's running as someone who'll provide so much more.  When I get politics as usual from someone promising a complete reformation of politics, I'm disappointed.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:59:46 AM EST
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Re: My two cents (3.00 / 1)

It sounds like you got the Obama brand message. It's not a particularly progressive message in my view, but I guess it's what Obama believes in (and Axelrod) and what they believe will win him converts esp. from Indy's and Repubs.

It's funny because the media talks about the possible Bloomberg/Hagel presidencies on some sort of third party/middle way ticket. But to me, and especially considering the way the fundraising pitch  was structured, it appears that we already have our third party candidate, that seeks to work with as many Republicans as Democrats.


by adamterando on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:24:57 AM EST
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Re: My two cents (none / 0)

That's the thing: I also just got an email from the campaign called "Not Playing By the Rules" about how Obama was standing up to Republican Senators.  Is he standing up to them or working across party lines?  It's a mixed message, and I'm not sure I see the point of it.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:21:25 PM EST
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Re: My two cents (none / 0)

You can do both - stand up to them when they take a stand like on Iraq, and work with them in other areas.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:49:44 PM EST
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Re: My two cents (none / 0)

But you get how running as both a partisan fighter and a bipartisan consensus-builder at the exact same time is a tad schizophrenic, right?


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:04:39 PM EST
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Re: My two cents (none / 0)

I get what you are saying -


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:24:36 PM EST
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One other question . . . (none / 0)

Just curious, what point are you trying to make?

I am not being sarcastic nor am I attacking your motives.  However, was your ordeal with the soliticing phone call trying to make a bigger point about the Obama campaign?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I would assume you are trying to establish a much larger point if you decided to make a diary out of it.  I just failed to find it.


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by lovingj on Mon May 14, 2007 at 10:56:27 PM EST

Re: One other question . . . (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, the larger theme is that this was exactly what I would expect from any generic candidate, only it's coming from the candidate who's promised to be anything but generic.  

And, on a professional note, it was a very poorly executed ask.

So, on the one hand, I thought it was bad for Obama to be making a generic cold-call pitch to my broke ass (possibly his list was poorly targeted), and on the other hand, since I like Obama, I wanted the call to at least be done well, and it wasn't.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:02:38 AM EST
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Re: One other question . . . (none / 0)

I would gather from your post and from others anecdotally that some of the volunteers (I assume) doing fundraising don't have much experience with this so that might explain the call.

As far as how they got the infor for the ask, getting it from facebook or from your resume isn't suprising. I imagine most candidates are doing their best to create potential donor databases from whatever sources they can.


by okamichan13 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 04:29:37 PM EST
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Re: One other question . . . (none / 0)

I'm not arguing that, but it seems like they'd be better served using either a proven list from a sympathetic campaign or resoliciting past contributors before hitting someone like me up for cash.  It just doesn't make sense, in my opinion, for them to target the low-dollar non-givers for fundraising pitches at this stage when surely they still have proven lists and more likely donors to solicit.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 05:27:37 PM EST
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Re: One other question . . . (none / 0)

I just got a call and have never contacted the campaign through facebook, myspace, barackobama.com or anything. Not only am I backing a different candidate, but when I said that, the caller said "well we would still like you to support Sen. Obama" and then continued to ask for $200.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Wed May 16, 2007 at 03:06:45 PM EST
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Re: One other question . . . (none / 0)

The call was also on my Cell phone and not a landline - FYI


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by sepulvedaj3 on Wed May 16, 2007 at 03:07:48 PM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

I wonder about robos as I have never received any calls.  I have gotten an email every so often but that is all and they have my phone number.  I have donated but, have never been bothered.  
I wonder if it is robos doing it as they are known to do so to make a campaign look bad.
by vwcat on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:03:36 PM EST

I've gotten a phone call (none / 0)

I have recieved a campaign phone call but it was also a week before the first quarter fundraising deadline.


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by lovingj on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:06:06 PM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

This was certainly not a robocall.  It was a personalized ask, but clearly not a well-targeted one, since I'm neither broke nor a donor to federal candidates (I only show up in the "disbursements" section of FEC filings, not the "receipts").


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:04:28 AM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

This is something that needs to get fixed. There have been a lot of diaries about this here and on DailyKos. I don't know if it's some group of cons trying to make him look bad or just inexperienced volunteers.


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by Populista on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:09:29 PM EST

Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

Maybe I have not been paying attention because this is the first one I have seen.  But if its excessive then I agree that it needs to be dealt with.


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by lovingj on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:22:49 PM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (3.00 / 1)

The caller himself sounded like an inexperienced volunteer working out of a phone bank.  The calls themselves were certainly targeted towards potential donors, but the way they determined who the potential donors are is clearly flawed.

I seriously doubt it was anyone trying to sabotage Obama, since I live and vote in Florida and, to be frank, I don't expect we'll have any say in the nomination, because I don't expect the DNC to accept results from the new, earlier primary date.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:07:09 AM EST
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Get Privacy Manager.... (none / 0)

That way, they must identify themselves and mostly these calls are hung up on.  This is for landline, but if you have a cell, I never would have given out my number.  Don't worry, all these campaigns have direct mail and will hit u up since they have your address.

Though, Al Franken's campaign has been calling me, I donated $50 to him, but I am not at home to talk to them.


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by icebergslim on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:48:20 PM EST

Re: Get Privacy Manager.... (none / 0)

Actually, I don't think they'd waste the money on sending me direct mail, since I live in Florida and I don't think our primary will count for delegates.  And, again, I don't have a giving history that would put me on anyone's radar.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:14:24 AM EST
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if you ever give a phone# (none / 0)

to a campaign you will be asked for money.


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by nevadadem on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:50:21 AM EST

Re: if you ever give a phone# (none / 0)

The last race I worked, we didn't even need phone numbers.  If we had a name or email address of a potential donor we'd research the rest of his or her contact info and giving history.  But our cold calls were only made to people with giving histories that made them worth calling (and we never had such a terrible script for our callers...).


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:12:11 AM EST
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Just tell them not to call you again... (none / 0)

if you gave money they got your number from somewhere.  Besides, we all have dealt with bad customer service, many of this outsourced.  Complain to the campaign to do something about it.  When was the last time you called about your computer and got India?  Boy, I could write a book on that one.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Tue May 15, 2007 at 05:27:43 AM EST
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"research... giving history" (none / 0)

Isn't it illegal to use the FEC disclosures for this purpose? Or did you have some other database?




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by benmasel on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:20:37 AM EST
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Re: "research... giving history" (3.00 / 1)

If you use another database, it's OK. You're not allowed to go onto the FEC database and look up the contact info of potential donors.


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by clarkent on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:16:53 AM EST
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Re: "research... giving history" (none / 0)

So far as I know, it's only illegal to use the FEC filings to cull potential donors, not to review people's giving histories when they're already being considered for fundraising requests.  We were using databases provided by our fundraising staff, not the FEC reports, to find donors.  And the FEC is useless for researching donor giving histories, since it sorts by campaigns and not by individual donors--OpenSecrets.org is what I usually used for researching giving histories.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:26:53 PM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

I have never been in touch with the Obama campaign and have been called twice so far.

In fact, I was on the other line and received a call just today.


by citizen53 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:08:00 AM EST

Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

Be sure to note that citizen53 is a hardcore Edwards supporter.


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by lovingj on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:27:00 AM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

Be sure to note that lovingj is a hardcore Obama supporter.

I've heard a similar story from a lot of people, some whom are Obama supporters.


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by clarkent on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:06:24 AM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (3.00 / 2)

Who cares loving?  I was not banned at DKos.  So now you push your slop here.

I was contacted twice by the Obama campaign.  I must therefore have an agenda.  So what's your point?


by citizen53 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:57:35 AM EST
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Re: And the first 2008 candidate to clumsily ask m (none / 0)

Jay R is just stating his feelings about something - there is no reason to get so defensive - Some of the posts on here are just the same as a 1000 others about how someone's candidate can do no wrong, and anyone stating anything contrary must be stirring the pot or must hate their candidate.

Overall, the comments have been quite amusing.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:57:33 PM EST

It doesnt seem like much of a big deal to me (none / 0)

A number of ways they could have got your number. And I'm not surprised they didn't have much else in the way of information or maybe they just havent managed their fundraising with that kind of targeted depth yet. Or possibly you were on a sort of generic potential donor list. Its still early yet so I'm not sure if you should expect the kind of sophisticated donor profile database that would be expected eventually.

Also as others have raised, good chance its an outsource agency doing the calling, possibly with new employees or people not necessarily committed to the actual candidate but working a part-time job that sort of thing.

I've only had one call that I know of so far - from the Edwards campaign in early April. They did know that I had contributed and didn't really volunteer much else nor did I ask. The ask was done pretty well, not pushy, sounded like a campaign volunteer not a paid agency. One thing I liked is that when I mentioned that I prefered to donate online through Act Blue they were fine with that.


by okamichan13 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 04:41:37 PM EST

Re: It doesnt seem like much of a big deal to me (none / 0)

See, but that's a targeted resolicitation of a past donor, which makes a lot more sense than targeting nongivers fitting my demographic.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a outside call center handling the pitch, but if that's the case then the campaign needs to reconsider its vendors, since, again, I'm not exactly a huge prospect for donations.


by Jay R on Tue May 15, 2007 at 05:33:13 PM EST
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